9to5Mac Happy Hour 318: les ambitions spatiales d'Apple, les ports MacBook Pro, la batterie MagSafe


Cette semaine, rejoignez Zac Hall et Benjamin Mayo de 9to5Mac pour discuter d'Apple dans l'espace, des ports que nous pourrions voir sur le prochain rafraîchissement des MacBook Pro, où se trouve le boîtier de batterie MagSafe d'Apple, la relation amour / haine de Benjamin avec Apple Music Radio, et plus encore.

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Salle Zac @apollozac

Benjamin Mayo @bzamayo

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Salle Zac: Hé, mec, comment ça va?

[00:00:01] Benjamin Mayo: Ça se passe bien. Comment vas-tu?

[00:00:03] Salle Zac: Pas mal. Avez-vous vu l'autre semaine, Apple a perdu un employé au profit d'une entreprise de fusées?

[00:00:14] Ouais, c’est vraiment mon, mes deux intérêts et Apple dans l’espace. Et je connais très bien la société Astra qui a débauché cet employé d’Apple qui l’était apparemment. Faisait partie de l'équipe automobile Apple. C’est selon Mark Gurman de Bloomberg, simplement sur la base de leurs informations publiques, ils étaient, vous savez, essentiellement sur le côté R et D.

[00:00:35] Benjamin Mayo: Il est plus haut inclus comme directeur spécial du groupe de projets spéciaux. Alors

[00:00:40] Salle Zac: Ouais. Donc quelque chose à conduire, si

[00:00:42] Benjamin Mayo: vous êtes dans le groupe des projets spéciaux, vous êtes soit en IA, soit en voiture,

[00:00:46] Salle Zac: droit? Ouais. Voilà donc Benjamin Lyon. Et non, s'il est parti de son travail dans l'équipe automobile Apple, comme vous l'avez dit, directeur principal du groupe de projets spéciaux, cela semble assez sérieux de travailler pour cette société, Astra, qui l'est.

[00:01:06] Je pense qu'ils sont basés en Californie, mais eux, ils lancent des roquettes depuis Kodiak, en Alaska, et eux, ils atteignent presque l'orbite pour la première fois lors de leur dernière tentative de lancement. Donc, ce qui était, c'était une très grande étape pour eux. Ils, ils sont entrés. Dans l'espace, mais je n'ai pas tout à fait atteint l'orbite. Mais ils en sont aux premiers stades de développement de cette fusée qu'ils appellent fusée, qui est une fée, la seule chose à faire à Apple.

[00:01:29] Je pense que la version de cela a presque redémarré, mais elle s’appelle la fusée 3.2, parce que c’est la troisième itération du, de, de cette fusée. Donc 0,2. Mais oui, vous savez, c’était une façon intéressante de traverser les ruisseaux et c’est aussi, je veux dire, c’est, je pense que cela signifie moins pour Apple, bien sûr, à cause de l’équipe automobile.

[00:01:46] Nous allons, nous allons continuer sur une personne ne va pas faire ou défaire l'équipe automobile chez Apple. Vous savez, c’est, c’est un, c’est un projet très vivant en soi. Mais ça, mais ça le fait, cela signifie probablement beaucoup plus pour la société Astra et que cette personne soit, je pense, comme son chef du matériel, ingénieur en chef chez Astra.

[00:02:04] Donc. C'est plutôt cool pour moi qu'il y ait quelqu'un dans, dans ce monde spatial qui est maintenant, vous savez, car l'un d'entre eux sera beaucoup plus accessible parce qu'il n'est pas chez Apple. Et puis pour un autre, ils sont impliqués dans, vous savez, allant de la conception, vous savez, du travail sur les iPhones et ce type de matériel au projet de voiture éventuel, en passant par des fusées littérales et des choses qui sont arrivées dans l'espace.

[00:02:29] J'ai donc vraiment apprécié cette histoire.

[00:02:31] Benjamin Mayo: Ouais, je vais vous dire ce que j’ai trouvé drôle à propos de cette chose, c’est qu’ils en ont fait un gros problème. J'ai fait un communiqué de presse. Ouais. Comme un communiqué de presse, comme une copie Apple, vous savez, une coordination, ce qui est très rare pour un non-exécutif. Droit? Comme si vous n'aviez jamais entendu parler d'une sorte de coordination Apple au moment de partir.

[00:02:51] C'est très étrange. Comme le crunch technologique avait comme un. Vous savez, une interview de plusieurs pages avec la personne où il parle de son histoire, vous savez, en travaillant comme le premier iPhone à l'iPhone 10 et tout le reste. Et comme, c'était, c'était juste inhabituel, non? Genre, Hey, tu ne me connais pas. Vous voyez, par exemple, les gens peuvent laisser tomber tout le temps, mais la plupart du temps, vous n'entendez jamais rien.

[00:03:11] Ce n'est que s'ils sont seulement, s'ils sont sur la page du leadership, alors ils ont une nouvelle histoire. Sinon, ils passent probablement sous le radar, mais c'était comme une chose. Et comme w Apple n’a même pas essayé de le cacher. Ils aiment l’embrasser et le remercier pour le sien. Vous savez, pour son mandat dans l'entreprise ou autre.

[00:03:26] Et comme, en ce qui concerne le projet applecart, il est assez clair, évidemment que le. Va aux exigences, à la direction, se concentre sur les talents en ingénierie. Comme ça, ça a tellement évolué avec la voiture quand ils ont cessé de faire, vous savez, de faire de la voiture pour simplement faire des systèmes autonomes, pour revenir à la voiture.

[00:03:47] C'est vrai. Comme, et le, les délais changent autour de cela. Et chaque fois que vous avez un projet, il y a tellement de quarts de travail similaires. Dans une destination, par exemple, vous allez avoir un roulement de personnel en même temps. Comme si c'était inévitable. Par exemple, si vous êtes, vous savez, nous l'avons eu en 2015, 2016, quand ils, vous savez, ont mis, ont freiné la fabrication de la voiture et que vous avez vu les ingénieurs en matériel, ils partent à peine et le font autres choses.

[00:04:11] Et de même ici. Vous savez, peut-être que le lion était prêt à expédier une voiture dans deux ans, mais ensuite le projet a changé et les directions sont venues comme, Hé, cela va prendre encore cinq ans pour réussir, vous savez, à décoller . Alors je vais aller faire autre chose. D'accord. C'est juste, donc c'est une de ces choses que quand vous avez, et vous savez, nous ne sommes pas à l'intérieur, nous ne savons pas si c'est le produit d'une mauvaise orientation précoce de la chose, ou s'ils ne le font pas. t sais ce qu'ils font ou, vous savez, ils sont partout, mais un certain effet secondaire de.

[00:04:41] Vous savez, les divisions ou les projets qui changent d'objectif signifie que vous finissez par avoir les gens en dessous et que vous vous déplacez également. Comme juste, il suffit de regarder la direction du projet que nous savons, combien de fois Mark Gurman chez Bloomberg doit-il rendre compte à un nouveau chef de l'équipe applecart. Comme ça s'est probablement déjà produit quatre ou cinq fois maintenant, genre, et ils ont ramené le, vous savez, Doug Farrow de Tesla et tout, et comme, tout vient juste ensemble.

[00:05:02] Mais c'est intéressant pour le spectacle

[00:05:04] Salle Zac: et en regardant cette histoire, cela a en quelque sorte fait surface une histoire plus ancienne de décembre 2019 que j'ai oubliée car il n'y a pas eu de mise à jour, mais c'est une histoire de Bloomberg selon laquelle Apple recherche des moyens d'utiliser les satellites, pour transmettre des données directement entre les téléphones I et les autres appareils et dans l'histoire vous savez, c'est, c'est fondamentalement, c'est un, je pense que vous le dites sur cinq ans.

[00:05:26] Vous savez, un projet de cinq ans sur lequel ils enquêtent et, et, vous savez, c'est l'une des activités typiques de R et D, mais il n'y a eu aucun développement. Et cela, cela a du sens pour quelque chose qui est dans cinq ans, vous savez, ou, ou dans cinq ans. Mais ça a été, vous savez, Voyons voir, ça fait, ça fait un an et quelques mois.

[00:05:44] Alors oui, ça

[00:05:45] Benjamin Mayo: Le rapport était comme la fin de 2019. Donc, si vous faites cinq ans plus tard, vous avez essentiellement 20, 25 ans, ce qui semble être la date clé maintenant pour tout. C’est comme les lunettes rondes de 2025, les satellites Apple Carl 20, 25, les satellites Apple 20, 25. Tout n’est que 20, 25 jusqu'à ce que nous sachions plus d'informations

[00:06:01] Salle Zac: à propos de ça.

[00:06:01] Ouais. Ce que j’ai trouvé intéressant en revisitant cette histoire sur les ambitions satellites d’Apple, c’est celle-là. L'espace X est. Un peu parier la société sur quelque chose qui s'appelle Starlink, qui est littéralement une constellation de satellites toujours en mouvement afin que vous puissiez toujours avoir un accès direct à ces satellites où que vous soyez et avoir accès à Internet partout sur la planète.

[00:06:24] C’est là l’objectif final. Pour le moment, il est en grande partie en version bêta et c’est un service irrégulier. Et eux, ils vous informent que vous perdrez la connexion de temps en temps et que les vitesses vont ralentir, mais ils, eux, vous savez, ils lancent également des lots de 60 satellites toutes les deux semaines environ. Pour construire cette constellation de, vous savez, des milliers de satellites.

[00:06:44] Et il semble donc que, sur cette mesure, il semble beaucoup moins tiré par les cheveux qu'Apple serait intéressé à faire quelque chose comme ça parce que, vous savez, l'espace X est intéressé à le faire parce qu'ils sont une compagnie de fusée et ils ont lancé des choses tout le temps. Et cela se trouve être un domaine où ils peuvent avoir une entreprise de consommation, vous savez, si cela se déroule et

[00:07:03] Benjamin Mayo: n'est pas comme un fou.

[00:07:05] Vous savez, juste une chimère. Ils aiment bien faire les choses. C'est comme

[00:07:09] Salle Zac: les gens comptent actuellement sur Sterling pour Internet et les zones rurales. Et d'une manière qu'ils ne pouvaient pas avant les premiers intervenants et les Amérindiens et ensuite, et même juste les clients et certains marchés où le service est maintenant. Alors c’est, c’est une, c’est une chose réelle.

[00:07:22] Et puis l'Amazonie a ceci, ce service similaire, je pense qu'il s'appelle le projet Kepler. Je pourrais, je pourrais dire le, le mot K est erroné ou mal mémorisé, mais ils ont aussi un service par satellite où même si. Vous savez, le PDG sortant d’Amazon. Jeff Bezos a sa propre société spatiale appelée Blue Origin, qui a quelques fusées en développement.

[00:07:43] Ils utilisent Amazon comme véhicule pour leur service Internet par satellite. Et c'est intéressant parce que vous savez, quoi, quoi, sur quoi parle le rapport Bloomberg, vous savez, comment Apple enverra la communauté, vous savez, transmettra des données entre les iPhones et d'autres appareils. C’est une sorte de point à point entre un iPhone, vous savez, ou un autre appareil.

[00:08:04] Par satellite contre, et pas nécessairement les mêmes, vous savez, vos services Internet de ce fournisseur de satellite, vous savez, et en contournant l'opérateur. Je pense que, d’une certaine manière, c’est plus que si vous avez, s’il y en a, cela dit la sauvegarde de votre service Siler, si vous ne pouvez pas obtenir de service, alors le service satellite pourrait être la sauvegarde pour cela.

[00:08:24] Mais, mais s'il semble, si cela, si cela fonctionne, vous savez, une technologie comme Starlink et le capital de projet sont, sont ou réalisables alors que cela, cela ne semble pas exagéré qu'Apple aussi une entreprise de technologie comme Amazon aurait expiré. Souhaitez-vous, vous le savez, Voudriez-vous expérimenter dans ce domaine et être un acteur majeur dans ce domaine?

[00:08:43] Je ne sais pas si cela remplacerait un jour les transporteurs. Je pense que c'est certainement quelque chose qui correspond à cela, que plus je suis informé sur ce sujet, plus cela correspond à la vision de ce qu'Apple, vous savez, pourrait investir dans ce qui a du sens pour le

[00:08:55] Benjamin Mayo: compagnie. Ouais. Le rapport de 2019 le positionnait en quelque sorte comme tel.

[00:09:00] Vous savez, vous êtes au milieu de nulle part et vous voulez parler à des gens qui sont comme, peut-être de retour au camp de base ou partout où vous êtes en randonnée et vous savez, vous ne Je n'ai pas de service téléphonique, mais vous pouvez les joindre via une sorte de connexion satellite. Droit. Mais c'était, Oh, un peu étrange. Le, les résultats de décrochage auxquels ils ressemblent, vous savez, se produisent maintenant assez impressionnants.

[00:09:18] Vous pouvez obtenir, vous savez, des vitesses Internet décentes pratiquement partout dans le monde, car cela vient juste de sortir du. Vous savez, sortir du ciel, comme ce genre de chose, où vous pourriez court-circuiter les transporteurs, semble certainement être quelque chose qui plairait à Apple en général. Je veux dire, comme s'ils n'allaient pas arrêter de fabriquer des appareils mobiles, n'est-ce pas?

[00:09:38] Comme s'ils en fabriquaient plus. Ils les mettent partout. Par exemple, si vous êtes dans l'océan et que vous pouvez utiliser comme une montre Apple, vous pouvez simplement parler à un satellite où vous êtes, vous savez, vous êtes, vous êtes hors de portée du signal du téléphone résidentiel, mais vous pouvez

[00:09:48] Salle Zac: en fait, pourquoi il n'y a pas de marin et de max pourtant ils attendent le service satellite.

[00:09:53] Benjamin Mayo: Ouais. Ou même comme, vous savez, le truc des lunettes finalement, peut-être comme si Apple pouvait simplement publier son propre cloud satellite et simplement, vous savez, vous payez essentiellement Apple pour le service satellite et vous pouvez l'obtenir. Non, essentiellement des vitesses plus rapides que le haut débit domestique, mais envoyées dans le ciel avec une latence légèrement plus longue de 30 à 50 minutes secondes ou autre, cela vous servira davantage pour toutes sortes de choses.

[00:10:17] Comme moi, ça, c'est définitivement quand, quand ce rapport 2019 est sorti, je me suis dit, vous savez, qu'est-ce qu'ils vont vraiment faire ce truc? Cela semble assez tiré par les cheveux, mais Starlink le fait. Un déploiement décent, nous sommes prêts. Et vous savez, ils viennent au Royaume-Uni. Je pense qu'alors de la merde comme les gens peuvent l'obtenir. Et si vous, même, si vous avez le haut débit à domicile, je peux voir que certaines personnes sont comme, vous savez quoi.

[00:10:41] Je vais devenir solide et dire, simplement parce que c'est plus rapide et plus omniprésent, comme, ouais. Et pour l’instant, celui qui stalle coûte cher. Je pense que c’est comme 500 livres pour aimer la configuration, puis c’est comme cent livres par mois, non. Par rapport à comme, vous savez, vous pouvez obtenir comme un pantalon Saudia, comme 10 livres par mois, mais vous savez, c'est le, ce sont les premiers jours.

[00:10:59] Et vous pouvez imaginer qu'à un moment donné, je suppose que ce qui s'est passé à plus long terme est cela. Stalling stars, comme sous-licencier le spectre ou d'autres personnes qui sont des satellites et vous obtenez l'équivalent là où vous avez, où vous avez comme un groupe de personnages, mais ils sont comme un groupe de soignants de satellites.

[00:11:13] C'est vrai. Et ils font la même chose. Avez-vous également vu cette semaine l'histoire qu'Apple a commencée? Son investissement en 6g? Ouais. Je suis prêt. Je suis prêt. Alors c’est un, c’est dans une dizaine d’années,

[00:11:24] Salle Zac: mais évidemment oui, par satellite,

[00:11:27] Benjamin Mayo: c'est peut-être le cas, peut-être que c'est peut-être éventuellement à un moment donné. J'ai donné cinq G, je n'avais pas les problèmes de vous savez, de ne pas voyager à travers les murs.

[00:11:36] Vous avez finalement juste aimé, quand ça se passe, tout se fond en un, n'est-ce pas? Vous avez juste un service Internet constant, peu importe où vous êtes, que ce soit par des tours cellulaires, par satellite ou autre, comme un test précoce sur six G va rendre les longueurs d'onde encore plus minces. Il sera donc encore plus difficile de pénétrer à travers les murs et autres objets, mais c'est dans 10 ans

[00:11:55] Salle Zac: problème.

[00:11:56] Ouais. Et, et encore une chose, je veux dire, avec Starling, c'est quelque chose que j'ai écrit sur Space Explorer en octobre dernier, mais que Microsoft a conclu un accord avec Space X Starling pour les serveurs, ils appellent l'espace Azure. Donc, je pense littéralement à mettre Azure dans des centres de données et des endroits où il y a un Internet à haut débit autrement, vous savez.

[00:12:15] Donc vous savez, il y a, il y a beaucoup de façons, que ce soit. C’est Microsoft, Amazon ou Apple qu’il y a de la place pour une participation dans ce domaine.

[00:12:25] Benjamin Mayo: Ouais. Et c'est juste drôle de regarder une histoire que je ne vois pas oubliée, vous m'avez rappelé cela en 2019, nous étions comme cette chose stupide, mais vous savez, même deux ans plus tard, c'est comme, wow, cela semble beaucoup plus tangible maintenant qu'il ne l'était.

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[00:14:27] Merci encore de vous unir pour avoir parrainé le

[00:14:29] Salle Zac: Afficher. Ouais. Merci unissez-vous. Alors Ming, elle a fait. Plus de détails sur les ports qu'auront les pros du MacBook avec plus de pièces. Et, et je pense, je pense, vous savez, nous, nous avons déjà discuté, vous savez, est-ce que ce sera SD? Sera-ce HTMI? Sera-ce USBA? Et j’ai plaidé en faveur d’au moins un port USPA, car il est courant sur d’autres ordinateurs portables équipés de l’USPA Thunderbolt trois et.

[00:15:01] Apple utilise toujours des ajustements de travail USPA, laissez-les sur un autre Mac. Donc, le Mac mini et l'iMac et, et le Mac pro. Donc, mais le quota ne dit rien de positif sur l'USPA. On dirait juste qu’ils vont percer des trous sur le côté pour huit cartes SD de Jim. Est-ce correct?

[00:15:17] Benjamin Mayo: Ouais, c'est essentiellement le, tout comme le rapport de base original avait, vous savez, toutes sortes de détails, comme la disparition des barres tactiles.

[00:15:24] Ils ramèneront MagSafe il y en aura. Il s'agit de la restauration des ports IO. Les utilisateurs n’auront donc pas besoin de dongles, mais il n’a pas précisé quels seraient les ports réels. Vous savez, tout cela arrive dans le nouveau design Maverick. Avant la sortie où nous en sommes quelques semaines plus tard, il poursuit avec ce rapport, qui dit basé sur les informations du fournisseur.

[00:15:42] Nous pensons que les machines seront équipées d'un conseiller HTMI et SD. Ce qui était intéressant, c'est que selon le rapport social, 75 à 90% des modèles comporteront ces ports. Cela peut donc être comme une option ou ne pas être sur chaque configuration. Je pense que ce n’était pas tout à fait clair, mais peut-être que ce n’est que le 14 pouces.

[00:16:04] Vous savez, la fente pour carte SD, puis les six, chacune est évaluée. Ces cartes pour un HD pourraient aussi bien. Si tu vois ce que je veux dire. Donc, ce n'est peut-être pas identique dans tous les domaines, mais, ou peut-être même que c'est comme vous, ils ne sont même pas une norme et vous les obtenez sous forme d'options supplémentaires ou quelque chose du genre n'est pas la façon dont il a été libellé dans la source. rapport était comme, ce sont les ports, mais ne les attendez pas sur chaque configuration.

[00:16:24] C'est donc une petite tournure intéressante et intéressante de l'histoire. Aimer. D'une part, c'est un peu fou qu'Apple ait continué comme une tirade pendant essentiellement cinq ans et essaye de tuer tout cet héritage IO. Et ils ont forcé tout le monde à emprunter les dongles maintenant pour USBC et autres. Mais même aujourd'hui, il y a toujours une énorme dépendance dans le monde à ces derniers.

[00:16:45] Pas de citation, Lexi fait une pause. Je ne sais pas si vous pouvez les appeler héritage, même parce qu’ils sont encore très largement utilisés. Aimer,

[00:16:50]Salle Zac: Chaque, chaque moniteur a l'airplay intégré afin que vous puissiez y diffuser sans fil. HTMI est joli, assez moderne.

[00:16:57] Benjamin Mayo: Droit? Et comme, même si vous le regardez, d'accord, alors le port d'affichage, non? Il s’agit probablement du connecteur d’affichage moderne et moderne.

[00:17:07] Ouais. Il peut prendre en charge la bande passante la plus élevée et tout le reste. Et sur les tout nouveaux moniteurs, ils seront livrés avec un point d'affichage pers, qui est en USBC, en forme. Mais il y a tellement de moniteurs, de téléviseurs et de projecteurs. Dans le monde, il faudra tellement plus de temps pour que ces choses soient comme éliminées progressivement à une pertinence.

[00:17:29] Comment l'IHM est tellement utile. Comme si je veux aller dans la pièce avant et brancher le, vous savez, mon naturel, le téléviseur, il n'a pas de ports d'affichage dans la chose comme un port HTMI et Oh ouais. Utilisez simplement des avions pour l'Apple TV. Eh bien, vous savez, un Vous savez, l'un des, probablement quoi, comme 10 millions de personnes au total, possède Apple TV et pour le flux, la, la, la mise en miroir de l'équipe de diffusion n'est pas la même résolution ou la même qualité que le simple branchement direct.

[00:17:53] Cela est donc utile si vous êtes dans un environnement scolaire ou dans un environnement professionnel, comme, vous savez, à l'époque où nous étions au bureau pour de vrai, qu'est-ce que ces choses ont dans leurs projecteurs? Oui. Certains d’entre eux sont, vous le savez, des Apple TV et autres déployés, mais ce n’est pas universel. Par exemple, avoir un myPort haïtien est si utile à tant de gens comme, et oui, vous pouvez emporter un adaptateur.

[00:18:11] Mais voulez-vous vraiment faire ça? Comme, pour moi, le, le, la situation de poste était, vous savez, amorti par le fait que, vous savez, je travaillais à partir d'un bureau à domicile où j'ai juste un dock Thunderbolt et il contient tout le vieil Alexio. Et, vous savez, qu'est-ce qui est lié à cette pensée à propos de Doug, Hé, elle pourrait faire une pause, a démarré les ports USB.

[00:18:28] Et j'ai même parfois utilisé la fente pour carte SD. Donc, si c'était juste nativement dans l'ordinateur portable, je le ferais certainement. Bénéficiez parce que peut-être que je n’aurais même pas à percer le quai en premier lieu. Comme le dock a de la valeur en ce sens que vous ne pouvez le faire que, vous n'avez besoin que d'un seul port pour vous connecter. Exact. Et pouvez-vous simplement connecter en série tout ou ce concentrateur, y compris l'alimentation et, et afficher les sorties et les E / S.

[00:18:49] Mais pour beaucoup de gens, ils n'en ont tout simplement pas besoin. Droit. Vous pouvez simplement, beaucoup de gens s'en tirer. Le câble d’alimentation et HTMI, et c’est tout. C’est tout le niveau que vous utilisez sur l’ordinateur portable pendant toute la durée de vie de l’objet, non? Comme une fente pour carte SD. Nous en avons parlé lorsque le sujet 2016 était tout nouveau, comme.

[00:19:09] Alors merde, j'ai eu cette drôle d'interview. J'étais comme, vous pouvez simplement obtenir un adaptateur pour la carte SD. C’est tout aussi bien. Ouais. Ouais. Il a dit

[00:19:16] Salle Zac: que le lecteur Bolton est encombrant, ce qui revient à dire que c'est comme une stratégie de relations publiques classique consistant à prendre le problème et, et, vous savez, le problème est qu'il est fastidieux d'utiliser un adaptateur et il le décrit.

[00:19:28] L'ancienne méthode est lourde. Comme pourquoi?

[00:19:30] Benjamin Mayo: Droit. L'adaptateur est clairement plus encombrant que lors de la construction du connecteur. Quand ils, quand il n'y avait qu'un emplacement pour carte SD sur le côté de l'ordinateur portable, comme, et moi. Jamais utilisé un emplacement pour carte SD, mais beaucoup de gens qui achètent des professionnels de la cartographie ont des caméras qui utilisent toujours une carte IC.

[00:19:46] Ce n’est pas universel. Ce n’est pas tout le monde. Et beaucoup, vous savez, beaucoup d'appareils photo modernes utilisent comme un flash compact ou votre appareil photo, vous savez, vous pouvez simplement brancher USBC directement, mais beaucoup d'appareils photo dans le monde utilisent une carte SD. C’était juste, c’est comme, Hé, elle pourrait, c’est juste un fait. Et si votre caméra n'utilise pas de logement pour carte SD, vous pouvez quand même la brancher à l'aide de votre adaptateur.

[00:20:07] Comme si, c’est comme, il est difficile de s’opposer à cela. Comme ça, il n'y a aucun argument selon lequel, ils ont opté pour cette chose en 2016 et vous, si vous voulez le faire, vous devez simplement l'accepter et, vous savez, tenir ferme. Mais de toute évidence, ils ont été confrontés à une pression du marché suffisante pour ne pas en avoir besoin. Aimer. Donnez simplement de la haine aux gens.

[00:20:28] Elle a créé une fente pour carte SD et les gens vont en être heureux, vous savez? Mm.

[00:20:32] Salle Zac: Ouais. Ouais. Le fait qu'Apple commercialise les professionnels de la cartographie auprès des photographes professionnels, comme eux, eux, ils, ils veulent vraiment. Les personnes qui éditent des photos et prennent des photos utilisent des méthodes pros pour ce processus. Et puis ils sont comme, vous savez, utilisez simplement un dongle.

[00:20:49] Et moi, je comprends parce qu'il y a d'autres, d'autres versions de, de, de cartes mémoire. Vous savez, c'est-à-dire qui sont plus gros et plus épais et, et pas aussi courants, mais sur un modèle professionnel. Je pense qu'il y a de la place pour, pour cela.

[00:21:01]Benjamin Mayo: Johnny serait une position extrême. Ne faites pas plus de trous dans cet ordinateur portable que d’incroyablement nécessairement, non?

[00:21:08] Comme, et ce n'était pas seulement Johnny ive qui poussait l'application, ou il y avait beaucoup de gens qui le faisaient. Mais pour les machines pro prime que vous passez des milliers d'heures et que vous utilisez jour après jour, vous devez, vous savez, repousser légèrement la balance, loin des erreurs. Et c’est juste un fait, ces ordinateurs ne seront pas aussi beaux parce que.

[00:21:26] Ils vont être inégaux. Ils vont avoir des E / S bizarres des deux côtés de différentes formes et tailles. Il y aura un connecteur MaxDiff d’un côté. Comme s'il y avait une belle beauté pour les pros du mappeur actuels. Nous avons juste deux combinaisons USB d'un côté et deux problèmes, des postes PC de l'autre côté, et c'est identique et symétrique.

[00:21:41] C'est vrai. Mais vous savez, vous devez utiliser ces choses à un moment donné. Donc, vous devez, vous devez faire cet équilibre comme sur un air de livre Mac. Bien. Droit? Comme vous pouvez opter pour plus de points de style, mais si vous voulez combattre la carte des postes de travail, réparer les machines, les ports ont clairement de la valeur. Comme Apple en 2016, cela ne fonctionnait pas là-bas.

[00:22:01] La dépendance vis-à-vis des éléments qui ne sont pas USBC est encore bien trop élevée. Ouais.

[00:22:05]Salle Zac: Et je pense que je passe par ce processus moi-même, où j'essaie de supprimer, vous savez, d'encombrer cela et d'essayer, vous savez, d'avoir des pieds ou des applications sur mon dock et d'avoir juste, vous savez, peut-être les cinq que je J'utilise en ce moment. Puis. Lancez le projecteur, l'application dont j'ai besoin pour le moment, puis fermez-la lorsque j'ai terminé.

[00:22:27] Et je reviens toujours à la position de, eh bien, vous savez, il est juste plus facile d'avoir l'application juste là, sur le dock pour chaque fois que j'en ai besoin, je clique dessus. Et, et je fais la même chose avec comme mon espar préféré. Comme en ce moment, je suis dans un mode où mon spar préféré que je suis sur Safari n’affiche pas.

[00:22:39] Et, et ça va, mais, mais je suis convaincu que je vais revenir à une position où j'ai, vous savez, mes dossiers visibles sur le navigateur. Droit. Il vous suffit de naviguer et de cliquer dessus à partir de là. Et c’est ce genre de chose. C'est comme, il y a définitivement un moment où vous pouvez vous retirer trop loin avec simplicité et vous perdez des fonctionnalités dans, dans la situation du port, c'est certainement cela, surtout en ce que Vous, vous savez, ces, ces Mac auront l'air différent parce que c'est, c'est, vous savez, on s'attend à ce qu'il s'agisse d'une refonte, mais vous pourriez, vous pourriez avoir le même max d'aspect moderne qu'avant.

[00:23:11] Mais avec, avec, avec ces ports, n'est-ce pas, que les ports seraient, seraient, vous savez, faudrait-il qu'il y ait une trappe, comme le premier MacBook Air avait, vous sais, ce genre de chose. C'est peut-être un peu plus épais, mais, mais aussi vous, vous savez, eux, ils pourraient avoir la même profondeur, mais jouez simplement avec, avec, avec l'illusion de, de comment ils, ils, ils se tempèrent, vous savoir, sur les côtés.

[00:23:31] Je pense donc que ceux-ci seront populaires. L'inclusion de max safe est intéressante car il ne semble pas que ce soit universellement bienvenue d'avoir un port qui sert uniquement à la recharge. Je pense que le gros avantage est que vous obtenez votre port USBC pour le transfert de données exclusivement, ou pour l'utilisation, vous savez, si vous devez utiliser un adaptateur et que vous avez un port uniquement pour le chargement, car si vous avez, vous le savez, quatre ports USB-C et vous voulez utiliser tous ceux que l'un d'entre eux, juste pour l'alimentation, c'est dommage.

[00:23:59] Mais. Tu sais, hé, je suppose que tu seras libre. Il libèrera de nombreux ports, sans en avoir un pour l'alimentation et un pour la sortie vidéo. Et, et je ne pense pas que le port d'affichage soit le successeur de HTMI, même s'il s'agit d'un port d'affichage technologique dans toutes ses formes et tailles, il s'est toujours senti très actif.

[00:24:16] C'est juste quelque chose qu'Apple utilise. Et

[00:24:19] Benjamin Mayo: même si ce n’est pas le cas, bien, bien. Defacto en quelque sorte

[00:24:22] Salle Zac: est. Ouais. Ouais. Il est toujours passé par les formes de ce qu'est le port Thunderbolt, vous savez? Et, et, et, et avant cela, vous savez, quel est le mini DisplayPort actuel? Qu'il y en ait beaucoup de taille normale et et, par conséquent, mon expérience avec bon nombre de ces plaques à plaques a toujours été celle d'un ordinateur portable Apple, mais comment puis-je,

[00:24:41] Benjamin Mayo: Ouais, comme la situation de sécurité, je suis définitivement plus négatif sur comme, si elle, ma carte SD.

[00:24:48] Je les utilise probablement une ou deux fois là-dedans, la machine à licence, mais je ne le suis pas, je peux comprendre pourquoi ils auraient été sollicités par tant de gens. Droit? Comme mon ordinateur portable en ce moment, il se branche sur le tonnerre à propos de Darwish, agréable, enseigne l'esprit, pause, mais la situation au Mexique, je ne peux pas, je n'ai aucun intérêt à revenir maxi pour ce pauvre, comme.

[00:25:06] Puissance seulement comme, c'est juste, c'est tellement attendez, quand vous avez des ports USB-C qui peuvent faire de l'énergie et des données en même temps, je veux faire l'élément porcin de, Oh, maintenant, vous pouvez en libérer un autre lors de la pause USBC pour juste, vous savez, juste pour un défi dédié. Je dois dire que j'ai une idée. Mettez plus de ports USB C sur la chose à la place, comme j'en tirerais plus de valeur en ajoutant un troisième, un troisième port USBC sur le côté droit et en ajoutant.

[00:25:28] Rebranchez-le, non?

[00:25:29] Salle Zac: Ouais. C'est un bon point. Et il y a des contraintes avec ça, non? Comme c'est le cas, il y a souvent un flux avec combien, d'accord, d'accord. Avec tout ce que vous pouvez vivre. Je veux dire, vous, vous pouvez littéralement installer des ports tout autour, mais, mais à l'intérieur, pouvez-vous avoir toutes les voies pour cela?

[00:25:42] Benjamin Mayo: Ouais. Et nous voyons déjà que ce genre de restrictions pourrait être imposé au plus grand nombre, non? Où vous obtenez la limite ou la maman AdvoCare, où vous avez des limitations sur les contrôleurs Thunderbolt, combien d'écrans vous pouvez avoir et des choses comme je comprends ce n'est pas aussi simple que de mettre, comme,

[00:25:54] Salle Zac: C'est pourquoi max revient sans cesse, c'est parce qu'ils ne peuvent pas avoir d'entrée simplement parce qu'ils ne peuvent pas avoir quatre ports USB-C ou Thunderbolt sur eux, sur un Mac pour le moment.

[00:26:01] Why will they address that? Do

[00:26:03] Benjamin Mayo: you think that they’re going to, this is, this is a big open question right now. You get four Thunderbolt ports, right? Well, if they’re going to add SD card and HTMI, is that going to be at the expense of the USB-C pause or is that in addition to. That’s the question. Yeah.

[00:26:21] Like if you compare it, the old 2015 mapper pros, right. Which for all of the, behind the Mac, as the Apple, do you still see loads of them in use right there clearly. Yeah. Like we say it, like, they started this tirade five years ago in 2015, but still there are, they, you know, they sell millions of millions of laptops, but they don’t th they don’t sell it on the same scale as iPhone.

[00:26:43] So the turnover of the overall, like. Ecosystem is lower, right? Like there’s still going to be more old. Th th right today there’s more 2015  use. And they’re all post 2015. My laptops. It’s just that the, the, the, the, the cycle people keep blackout so long ago. Right? So the old 2015 Mamet pro had mag safe, two Thunderbolt ports.

[00:27:05] That was Thunderbolt two at the time, right. A USB port. And a headphone Jack on the left side. And then on the right side at a USB three port HTMI NSD card slot. So that was a total of eight pause. The station each today only has five ports. It has the four USB-C and the headphone Jack. So if you’re going to, if you’re trying to really reignite the passion of the 2015 motor by bringing back SD card and HMI.

[00:27:32] You can’t really do it by replacing two. You, the USB-C is for those two holes. Right? Cause then you’re only giving people two USB-C ports. Like that feels too limiting. I think it has to be an addition because if you have four USB-C ports, mag safe, and then you add HTMI and SD card, then you get back up to the eight number because you have the headphone Jack as well, which would match what the 2015 did like.

[00:27:57] If you start stripping them down, or maybe even if you only had USB-C ports. Droit. Phil was more like that’s the flip side of the pro workstation argument is that these pores support pro workflows like be able to output to like two displays at the same time, or, you know, super fast rate of raise of, of external stories.

[00:28:19] Like you can’t, you can add back the, you know, the HTMI port, but you don’t really want to give up a whole USB-C port for it. I certainly don’t like. It’s a hard balance and you know, nobody yet, including quotes actually said, this is actually the IO breakdown. He’s just said, Hey, Charmaine SD cards, solid returning.

[00:28:36] Zac Hall: Well, what else is required for this cycle?

[00:28:40] Benjamin Mayo: There was also a digitize report again for. A mini led. So this is this, these Maverick pros have so many things attached to them, as well as the redesign, as well as Apple Silicon, as well as the pores. They’re also apparently, yeah, it’d be the mini led devices we’ve been hearing about Apple was interesting, many D for awhile.

[00:29:02]Digitize says the amp was expansion of our 14 inch and 16 inch mini led backlit mapper pro models in the second half of this year. So. As well as everything else, you get a brand new display technology. Current map books have OCD screens. They required backlights many led have no backlight and they’re closest to.

[00:29:23] Because they basically have like localized backline. So they do have backlights, but it’s like dramatically smaller AED. So the whole panic me thinner, you get higher brightness, you get better contrast. It’s what you get on the pro display. XDR where they have like 527 demons zones. Droit. But it’d be more like, A thousand dumb exams, you 14 inches or 16 inches.

[00:29:43] So it’s even, it’s even pushing, pushing that beyond. So it’s getting closer to what, like an old led screen would offer you, but without the downsides of light burning, because it’s not organic, it’s just standard LEDs.

[00:29:54] Zac Hall: Yeah, this, this is exciting because display technology doesn’t change that often. And Mac laptops, you know retina resolution was, was the last big change to come to a Mac laptop.

[00:30:05]On the desktop side, you know, there is the XTR display and then on the iMac, you can now have that same optional coding where it’s more matte. But, but on the laptop side, I mean, it’s been, it’s been retina. And then before that, I guess it was the move to LA. Maybe backlit backlit LCV I don’t recall before that.

[00:30:24] I just, you know, so, so it was exciting to get to experience one of these display upgrade, you know path. So and it sounds great. I mean, having higher conscious ratio is a big deal, especially because this is rumored to come to the iPad this year as well. And if you’re using an Ola display, you know, your iPhone, your Apple watch, then the Mac display.

[00:30:47] In the iPad display, just do not look as modern because the contrast isn’t there, you know, blacks are gray, they’re not black. And you know, brightnesses is more spread out. It can’t be as, as localized. And so I love the sound of this technology that it’s, it’s literally just it’s many more led backlights because they can be smaller.

[00:31:05] And it can be, you know, much more precise than before. It doesn’t sound perfect, but I think it’s I think it’s an it’s an affordable step that, that scales, so the price of a Mac book and, and, you know, we’ll, we’ll see what the long-term cost of that says, you know, what, what the, what the drawbacks are, but just in terms of improving from the current, you know, LCD a L led backlit LCD screens, that should be.

[00:31:28] Easy to notice just at a glance.

[00:31:30] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah. Beyond this is the micro led stuff, which is purpose or lighting, which is exactly like, Oh, led, but not organic. Right? You don’t have the regions of, of Deming, but that the micro led displays are much further away. There’s still like three or four years out of like mass production use cases.

[00:31:47] So. You’re going to have a wall of like the generations of mainly led screens for Apple’s bigger, you know, like laptops and iPads, where they can’t do early displays, but they want to keep pushing visual quality forward. And the

[00:32:01] Zac Hall: good news is you get to use your your your Apple developer credit of $500 from the, the dev transition kit for this in the second half of this year,

[00:32:10] Benjamin Mayo: when they funded the trend of the And one devices where stuff didn’t get more expensive, it stayed the same price or a slightly cheaper in the case of the Mr.

[00:32:17] Mac mini cars. Sûr. Yeah, that’d be really nice. Like if they, if the odd anyway, but if the 2020, while I pray was like $500 more expensive for like, Oh, okay. They’ve they’ve already set a nice precedent with the M one stuff where it’s like, everything stayed the same price, all got slightly cheaper. So if they can carry on doing that as well as the different, you know, all these other changes, I’m going to be say, throwed.

[00:32:40] And

[00:32:40] Zac Hall: by the way, Bravo for using your 2016 MacBook pro for, for what, what will end up being five solid years? Et moi

[00:32:46] think

[00:32:46] Benjamin Mayo: five years, yeah, the original plan was I was going to swap out in 2019, but then the 16 inch was like fine, but it wasn’t as radical as hoping. And that was right around the time when like all miserable rumors were really.

[00:33:00] Kicking around. So it was like, Oh, I’ll keep it holding out 2020. Right. They’re gonna, they’re gonna release the arm map of pro. Oh, okay. Well they did release laptops, but not quite the one for me. So, but this is this 2021. It’s the time of the new day.

[00:33:14] Zac Hall: This is an ad, right. Exercise and restraint. And I hope to one day model

[00:33:18] Benjamin Mayo: you, especially for it, Peter who’s keyboard is literally broken in 20 different ways.

[00:33:24] Zac Hall: Yeah. I’m not going to comment on, on how long I plan to use my Mac, but because I’ve gone through so many every year, but, but boy, do I strive? This is I, I I’ve been well I’m, I’m podcasting right now without a power adapter. I’m just, you know, I’ve got. I’ve worked a full day. I’ve got 58% battery left.

[00:33:43] It’s crazy. I’ve been on the charger som, but on a day where I, I’m not under the power director at all, I will end the day after eight hours. I’ll end the day with Over 40% battery, which is just nuts. Like it’s so good. That’s crazy. Ouais. And then, and then lastly John Prosser has some rumors about what colors the next iMac will come in and iMac has historically came in.

[00:34:09] Well, I’m Mac used to come in lots of colors. The latest design of iMac has come in silver and then space gray for the pro version. W, what does Prosser say about colors for the next iMac? Is it going to come in like rainbow colors

[00:34:22] Benjamin Mayo: or flowers, flower, power pink, or whatever that color was called the nineties.

[00:34:26] And that process says that it will be basically the same as the iPad airline up. So that’d be space gray, silver. Rose gold, green and sky blue. Obviously the iMac is getting redesigned this year a much needed long, but like iterate design for the, for the product line. And apparently is gonna come in cool colors too.

[00:34:43] Like this makes sense to me like the iPad air and the iMac kind of feel like. Similar-ish right. Like, and if they’re doing it on the iPads, you’d hope they’d do it on the laptops as well. Like MacBook air, especially in that bouquet, especially. But sadly they don’t have the color options quite yet on the air, but if they did a big redesign IMAX do a believer version, I’m sure that’d be cool.

[00:35:06] Do a green version, like say like I, if I wasn’t buying the 22 of my mapper pro I’ll be buying the 20, 21 iMac, like. Yeah. Apple has so many massive max coming out this year. They’re just going to be like so good.

[00:35:19] Zac Hall: Yup. Yup. And there’s still room for improvement with like face ID and cellular, but just not this year,

[00:35:25] Benjamin Mayo: that’s the problem.

[00:35:26] They bought themselves so much time by making the M one ship. So good. They’re like, we don’t need to worry about face ID. That’s coming down the road. You can buy, you can buy the East generation now and we know you’ll be happy with it. Ouais. All right. Happy hour. This week is also sponsored by Amazon pharmacy.

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[00:37:36] Zac Hall: All right. So we talked about maxi earlier and it’s returned to the Mac, but there’s, there’s also a different kind of Mac life that we use today, which is max from the iPhone 12. And and, and there’s, there’s a story from Bloomberg, from Mark Harmon about a potential Mack safe battery pack. Is that

[00:37:52] Benjamin Mayo: right?

[00:37:53] Yes. So there were some like vague code references that people were finding, talking about like battery pack stuff. And then Mark followed up with a story on Bloomberg. Which is the Apple is supposedly developing a Mac safe battery pack accessory for the iPhone 12 phones. Obviously right now there is no like Apple smart battery case.

[00:38:14] Which they’ve done in previous years. And I think last year they released them in January. So it’s now the end of February. And we still haven’t seen that from Apple. They, the Mexico physician is they did do is like the leather wallet and the, you know, they’re just standard snapping cases and the you know, they did the sleeve and stuff like that.

[00:38:29] But in terms of battery cases, Apple does not have any official Badger case currently for the iPhone 12. The idea is, is that instead of. The traditional cases, Apple’s trying to get out this max safe battery pack thing. But of course, Bloomberg says that it might actually turn out the Apple can’t ship this thing, so they might never do it and they might save it for a future year.

[00:38:49]But the idea is that rather than a Badger case, Apple will make a mag safe. Like a magnetic battery pack that kind of looks like the hump from a smart Badger case, but it’s standalone and it just snaps on the back of the MagSafe connector on the back of it F and 12, just like the leather wallet does.

[00:39:07] Right. And one of the prototypes that’s being developed supposedly uses like rubber casing that obviously lines up with the materials they use in. Small battery cases. However big says the accessories face development issues. Apparently the actual like hardware works, but the software can erroneously report that the backpack is overheating, even when it actually isn’t and basically goes and says, it’s not clear if Apple will be able to resolve these, these issues in a timely fashion to get out for.

[00:39:36] You know, the iPhone 12 cycle maybe if it’s not possible, that just means Apple won’t have any sort of battery accessory this year. Cause they were planning on shipping this battery case. Droit. But they now they can’t do that. So they might just not have anything in the cannery to go. Or maybe they’re making the smart edge cases just in case and they’ll have them available if the maxi thing isn’t it.

[00:39:57] Isn’t there like you’ve used smart battery cases at the palace. Droit. Zach, would you be interested in. Not the case, but just a magnate battery.

[00:40:06] Zac Hall: Yeah. I think the, the appeal is in the battery cases or if you’re a non case user, you know, They’re the bulk of your cases to use, not just because of the battery, but because it’s a full case on the device.

[00:40:19] So there is some appeal in having, you know, if you use your phone with no case or a case that you’d just prefer more than the battery case. Th th there is, there is some appeal in having a magnetic battery that charges, you know, if it can charge then And in a decent amount of time and not be too much of a drawback from being a wired in battery, then that’s pretty good.

[00:40:41]It is, it is. Mysterious part in that, you know, w where do you hold the phone? Do you hold it from the phone part or do you hold it from the battery part? And is it annoying to decide that, and are there situations, you know, if you put it in your pocket, does that kind of a no-go, whereas you could put the battery case into your pocket and there’s no chance of it slipping off.

[00:41:03]And also. It’s not impossible for others to already address this market. And so what is Apple going to do? That’s different than, than other, you know, magnetic batteries? One thing I was thinking is it’s. It’s probably more apples and more than Apple’s interest to make a version of these for each size phones.

[00:41:24] So you’re not a wallet is the size of the wallet, no matter which phone is kind of designed to fit on the many and then scale this way up to the pro max.

[00:41:31] Benjamin Mayo: So though there, the wallet is like the width of the iPhone, 12 mini. And so on that different phone, it literally just like fills the entire back of the device.

[00:41:38] And then on the pro backs, it just sits in the middle of like a little Island. Droit.

[00:41:41] Zac Hall: And so, yeah. Probably what would happen is they’d have one version that is the same way it’s defined by the size of the mini and then scale. And then it just fits on the other phones. But I think that’d be too bad, especially with the mini isn’t quite the popular phone, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s one fourth of the phones in the lineup.

[00:41:59]So having, having one that does specially made, because they do that with the smart battery case, right. They’ve got a case made just for the phone size and the battery capacity varies because of the, the phone size

[00:42:09] Benjamin Mayo: varies. Yeah. That, that, and that’s why I think they’re more likely to do per model battery battery.

[00:42:16] Packs. Droit. So I’ve heard them say Badger cases because the iPhone 12 mini batteries is a little smaller, so it can have a smaller battery and still give you a full charge. Whereas the pro max, you can’t, it’s unlikely that you can have the same battery pack size as what would fit on the back of the mini, but actually better fully charge the probably max, like there’s a reason it’s not Badger case.

[00:42:34] You’d have to be fit to the size of the phone in the batteries for proportionately bigger as well.

[00:42:39] Zac Hall: Yeah. The, the, one of the appeals here though, would be that if you don’t change phone sizes, like you don’t go from a pro max to a many the next year. And even if you do then in theory, there’s, they’re still compatible.

[00:42:52] Like you, you could in theory, put a pro max size battery in the back of a mini and just supercharge it, you know, more than you need. It wouldn’t be visually the same, but, but if the charging. Lines at the same way, which I don’t see why it wouldn’t, that’s the same size and then it could be compatible. And, and you, you move on from the problem of this, this battery pack, you know, whenever you upgrade, you need to upgrade your battery pack.

[00:43:15]And also that, that Apple doesn’t make new battery cases at lines. They’re always months off from the phone matching which is. Interesting, you know, I guess it’s just that the phone is priority. And then you get to the accessories after that and the, in the battery cases and the highest priority. And in this case, at that there’s, you know, pre production constraints or issues with development of the whole thing in general.

[00:43:37]But if you had just one battery case that you could reliably use or one battery pack that you could reliably use, whether it’s your iPhone, 12 pro max or your iPhone 13, many that would be compelling.

[00:43:50] Benjamin Mayo: Okay, firstly I do think there’s a reason why the battery case is only slightly delayed and it’s because half of the pair of upgrades and new phones these days, it’s like you get an hour extra battery life.

[00:43:59] Right. So it’s kind of weird. It happened was like promoting the extra battery life on the phones and then immediately at the same time, bringing up battery cases, like it feels a little off it’s like Apple bringing out. The iPhone 12 and then also bringing out like a waterproof band for it just as, even though they say that it’s like water resistant.

[00:44:16] I don’t know. It’s like a weird clash. So that’s always been my thought on why the battery case. It was like two months later, three months later maybe they just don’t prioritize it as much and they just get mad when they can, but it’s been a much of a pattern now for like four years where it feels like they intentionally just hold it back a couple of months.

[00:44:32] And my solution for a battery pack that is universal, that can work on the iPhone 12 and 13. Is all the external battery packs that exist in the world already. Like, this is why I think the max safe battery pack is kind of less like appealing to me in my head because you can get a portable battery pack that can.

[00:44:52] That has charging if you want to charge by wireless. And it has loads of ports in it. If you want to shut out all this stuff, like you can get one portable battery. That’s about the same size as the iPhone, and it can charge your iPhone. It could charge your iPad. It can even charge your laptop or your charged Nintendo switch.

[00:45:05] Like it’s so much more versatile than, you know, a little hump that you have to magnetically snap to the back of your phone. And you can only charge your phone, like with a smart battery case. You’re getting Julia too, right. You’re getting the protectiveness of the case and you’re getting a battery carried around you.

[00:45:20] But if you’re just going to have. My neck attaching a battery. It’s like, well, you still kind of need a case, really, if you’re worried about that stuff, like the appeal to me seems more limited. Like how big is this MagSafe battery going to be like, it’s gotta be somewhat chunky, right? For them to actually give you a decent amount of charge.

[00:45:38] So it just seems like a better solution to just have a portable battery with you in your bag that you can plug into literally anything and use it year after year after year, regardless of. You know how the actual phone changes.

[00:45:51] Zac Hall: Yeah. I agree with that.

[00:45:53] Benjamin Mayo: All that being said, and despite Apple supposedly having issues, getting this out of the door, anchor is literally going to release one next month.

[00:46:02] They, they they’re up on Amazon. Now. You can already, pre-order a anchor battery magnetic pack for the iPhone 12, which is kind of insane, but we’ve seen a few of these from different people, but they’ve always been on like Kickstarter or, you know, like those kinds of like small websites or from brands you literally don’t know, but anchors like respectable or huge name in March.

[00:46:23] You can pre-order it now is coming out in March. It’s called the anchor Powercor magnetic 5k wireless power bank. It’s a 5,000 million power battery. That’s magnetic. So it snaps on. The back of the FM 12, they say it can charge a iPhone 12 mini to zero to 112 to zero to 95. And I turned pro pro from zero to 97 iPhone to a pro max from zero to 75%.

[00:46:46] So the fact that you can’t like fully charge a pro max kind of shows to me, like another reason why the battery cases A better option just because you can fit more capacity in them. You don’t have to worry about the space and all that

[00:46:57] Zac Hall: stuff as well. A bigger battery, but anchor, isn’t making one for the pro they’re making one for all the

[00:47:02] Benjamin Mayo: phones.

[00:47:02] Yeah. And you have a bigger battery. It makes it even heavier. Like part of the problem with the battery cases, you get so much weight with them. Right? And like, if you’re going to have that much weight, you might as well get the protectiveness of an actual case at the same time. That’s kind of where I come down on.

[00:47:18] Zac Hall: I think that I think the battery cases, a lot of commitment because you, you always have it on. Even when the cases, dad, it’s still a big, a big case that you have on it, unless you take it off and then you change the case and there’s appeal in having it just be a battery pack and having it wired in. You know, you can do that.

[00:47:38] That’s, that’s the practical way to go, but there is something kind of neat about being magnetic and taking advantage of Mac safe so soon. So w w with that being said, like, I would definitely consider that the anchor solution If, if I had, you know, battery can train the shoes, I think I’m all right, right now that I’m just not out and about enough to, to, to need my battery to charge more than it is.

[00:47:58] But but it’s a cool product and it doesn’t seem to be exorbitantly priced, you know, and, and, and all that. Just wait for the Apple one. Yeah. I’m glad that it exists though,

[00:48:07] Benjamin Mayo: but you can, then you can compare it open price.  just while we’re talking about like random accessories you know, how Apple gets like Belkin and Logitech to do its day at work and make all the stuff that has no interest in doing okay.

[00:48:21] Belkin is releasing what they call the sound foam connect, which is basically like an airport express. But for our play too, obviously Apple discontinued the airport express what the Belkin sound foam will offer is a 3.5 millimeter mini Jack, a headphone port audio in as well as optical digital audio.

[00:48:39] And you connect a speakers to it. And it is an airplane to receiver. So you’re basically getting the airplay part of the airport express in a little device from Belkin, which is cool because like the airport express. That was one of that’s, one of the last things added to it, right? Like randomly offered, they discontinued it, they made it airplay compatible, but they actually make it anymore.

[00:49:00] So it was like, damn well, you still can. But now it seems like Apple is officially alliancing Belkin to make, you know, the modern equivalent for it as well.

[00:49:10] Zac Hall: Ouais. Yeah. Airplay two is a very big addition to the airport, express it and, and, and it’s just kind of an add on feature to a base station, right?

[00:49:19] It wasn’t that wasn’t the main thing it was, it was meant for, it was just. You know, what if we made speakers networkable and, and they did that and it, and it turned out that was pretty cool. And, and, and it’s, and it’s, it makes sense that they’re, they’re relying on Belkin for this, because I do have home pod and home pod, many, especially in home five minutes, that’s pretty Sprig a deal.

[00:49:39] So them doing this accessory through Belkin do another pricing for it.

[00:49:43]Benjamin Mayo: It would be sold for around a hundred euros, so that’s about it. Okay.

[00:49:47] Zac Hall: So that that’s pretty. Okay. So that is pretty pricey considering it’s an adapter that doesn’t happen networking side to it to make your, make your well, I mean, in terms of it being a Bay station But, you know, I guess that’s the, that’s the times we live in being able to add airplay to, to your existing home theater system or something without having to upgrade the whole system is, is, is, is pretty good.

[00:50:08] Yeah.

[00:50:08] Benjamin Mayo: What would it do? So the airport express out, it was like 79 or something. Nine $99. I believe it was 99. Okay. Yeah. Sam was actually a wifi, if you want to use it for that.

[00:50:18] Zac Hall: Droit. That was the main purpose was that you could extend your network with it. You know, you could be your only base station. If you have a small, you know, home or apartment, or you could expand your network if you had a larger home or apartment and, and, and.

[00:50:32] With this, there’s no networking side to it. It’s just the airplane part. And you, and you can buy airplay two receivers that you can plug in, you know, any speakers into that, that have standard speaker connections. But in this case, if, if you are happy with your existing system, there’s a need to spend three or $400 or more on a new receiver.

[00:50:51]This is, this is pretty cool because then you get the ability to turn your system into, you know, part of your. Siri, play music everywhere, set up or play it in this room. You get to assign it to a room in the home app. And you know, that that’s, that’s really useful. So you don’t have the built-in voice input like you did with the home pod, but, you know, you’re, you’re, you know, beaming music from your iPhone.

[00:51:09] You can say, play this there and it will work. So about time, this thing came to market or is coming to market.

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[00:51:51] Zac Hall: I love water bowl because I look and I’ve got, you know, just today I lost that. I had three credits built up over the past few months and it’s like, Oh, I need to go and turn those into books. And it feels really good to, to do that. You can find things like creative selection by kin Sienna, you know, which we discussed a while ago when that was brand new.

[00:52:07] And that gives me some insight into Apple. But if you want to mix things up, then I’m listening to a book called why we sleep by Matthew Walker, which is like over 13 hours long. But it’s, it’s interesting, you know, as you think about the Apple. Watch and sleep tracking. You might wonder why, why should I do this?

[00:52:21] And, and this book is kind of helping me get answers to that. Also if you’re a fan of the movie, the Martian, you know, where I think it was Matt Damon who turns, well, you know, the movie, the Martian that’s that was first a book by Andy ware and he has a follow-up book called RMS that I just turned to credit into the book today.

[00:52:39] And it’s eight hours and 57 minutes of books. I’m looking forward to listening to that.

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[00:53:20] Zac Hall: All right. So you had something you wanted to say this week about alpha music radio.

[00:53:24] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah, we we’ve touched on this on the show. I think you mentioned it as part of like a bigger Apple music summit, right.

[00:53:29] But. The last like week or so, I was just chilling out. I was like, let’s go on Apple music. Let’s listen to something. I didn’t wanna listen to the player there. So I was like, I want to hear something that’s like, you know, hosted by someone. And then I found this like radio show at the host. I was listening to particular like Rebecca judge.

[00:53:45] She just does like, she’s like a UK host. And she does like chart music and pop stars, like, and she was doing interviews and people were like, you know, this is nice. I wanted to do this. And then the next day I want to do the same thing and it. Just hit me. How fearing is the Apple music radio? Doesn’t let you follow shows.

[00:54:06] It’s like so close to being such a good thing. And they added, you know, a hundred shows whenever they did the Apple music radio revamp, you know, last year, but you can’t follow the shows. You go on the radio tab, you have to scroll down and you go to , you find it. And then you play the episode. And then when you come back next time you have to go all the way down to wherever again, like they let you add playlist.

[00:54:31] They let you add albums. Just let me add a show. Just like if it was in an, if it was in a podcast format, you could just subscribe to the podcast or in Apple’s current terminology, follow the podcast, but Apple music radio, it just doesn’t let you do. And it’s so archaic, like. I don’t want much. I just want the ability to say, add this show by this host.

[00:54:52] And so then when they do new episodes, They can just pay it in my library feed or they can appear in the listen now section just right at the top, there’s a new episode, click on it and listen, you know, if you want to get all fancy, maybe when you follow the show and it actually goes live, it could give you a notification to remind you to tune in live.

[00:55:09] But you know, I’m not fussed about that. I just want what I would get if these shows were offered yeah. In Apple podcasts, which is the ability to add them to my actual library. So I’d have to go and dig through the list of like a hundred hosts to find the show that I was trying to Institute every single time.

[00:55:25] And what makes it even more infuriating? Is that either an iOS 14.4. Or I was 14.5. They’ve changed the UI slightly. So before on the radio tab, it would have like the list of, you know, the stations. It would say schedule in text and they’ve changed it to a calendar icon, but that’s all they’ve done.

[00:55:41] There’s no function difference. You just click on the calendar. I can, it takes you to the exact same place. It takes you the exact same schedule that you can’t follow. The shows on is so annoying. And like, I know you have this with, what’s the show called that you like, because so much on after, after school radio with back office, the Mark opera show, right?

[00:55:59] I’m having it now. It’s so mad and it it’s like they’ve got hours, hours of hosted audio content in this app, but you just can’t expose it on the main tab. Like please Apple, please fix it.

[00:56:13] Zac Hall: Yeah. What do you think the reason for that is? I mean, surely engagement would be higher if they made it easier to tune in and follow shows.

[00:56:20] So

[00:56:20] Benjamin Mayo: why like technical debt and that the Apple music app has never had the concept of like. Following or subscribing to something it’s always just adding it to a library, you know, like, and they’ve, it’s probably just limited by technology or limited by their current frameworks. And they haven’t got around to like actually implementing the feature because I would also love to follow artists.

[00:56:41] And then when the artists new music come in, have it appear again in like the top of the list now section, and you can sort of, sort of do that, but it’s not consistent. It’s not reliable. Droit. Like I would just want, I want to follow an artist. And then when they have new music seminar notification saying there’s new music available from this artist, I want to follow the show on Apple music.

[00:57:00] And then when it’s live, you can send me a notification or if it’s just recorded. And I miss it live, just put the episode in, like, that’s the thing, like the listen now tab is like recommendations, but it’s not like a feed. So they don’t have concepts of like, you know, what have you listened to? What, what have you listened to recently on red state?

[00:57:17] It’s like those kinds of features that you’d find in like any podcast app, including Apple podcasts, they just don’t have that implemented on the Apple music side and they need to get around. And, and yeah,

[00:57:27] Zac Hall: so it’s, it’s, it’s a good point. I have a single show on one of the three stations that I listened to every week and in love.

[00:57:35]And I. Properly turn off South Apple music radio, and it’s done, you know, like, cause, cause the follow up shows and for me, and I’m not sure, I mean maybe there are more shows. I only found this one because I’m familiar with the artist and I just happen to really enjoy it. But. Th there’s, there is no, you know, you listen to this, so you might like this.

[00:57:53] They, they even do the show. The episode, if you listen to it on demand as the recently played. So, you know, they resurfaced, like you’re listening to an album, you know, it’s in your library that they want you to, to be able to get back to it easily. If you’ve played it because you probably want to continue playing it or play it again.

[00:58:11] This isn’t necessarily the same for a radio show, kind. I do one plate there and then set, you know, you add some music from it and then you’ll listen to the music itself. So having it be there is not ideal. And it just reminds me of Apple music connect, you know, one, because what if they would have invested all the energy in that feature and put it into making.

[00:58:30] You know, radio, which was announced at the same, basically at the same time, you know, more integrated with alpha music as a way to add things to your library and, and, and, and follow. But also helped me to connect in that, you know, it just went away and, and, and, you know, we, we understand why it was.

[00:58:47] Another social network bucket for artists to use. And it was all launch activity and very few artists use it later because there were, they weren’t things that were different from using Twitter or Facebook. No, you couldn’t, you can post photos and videos, but you can’t do like ticket sales are merged through helping me to connect.

[00:59:05] And those things I think are pretty critical and making it useful. But, but that same, the same idea though, of just following an artist. I mean, that was the idea there. And then at least they could say, Hey, wait, we have new music, you know, they have to actively do it. And I do get the alerts where it says this artist has new music waiting for you.

[00:59:22]A lot of times, but sometimes I rely on the new music playlist to learn that an art is that I listened to all the time has a new track out. We’re just, you know, following the news to know that there’s something new from an artist that I listened to it it’s not consistent.

[00:59:35] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah. And like it was less a problem for Apple music radio when they only had, you know, five hosts, seven hosts away, whether, cause you could just go on the radio tab and all of them would just be on the main screen.

[00:59:45] But whenever they did the overhaul where they added so many more shows from, you know, their own, their own host expansion across Apple music country, Apple music hits and also just getting loads more celebrity shows on board. The list just becomes so long. Like you have to click on the radio tab, scroll down like two screens, just to find the thing where it says click on to see all shows by our house and then say, if you want the Charlie slough show, which I don’t care for, but it’s like, he was like on BBC radio before Apple hired him.

[01:00:13] You have to go on the hosted by artist screen and scroll all the way to the bottom. And they must be like, 50 rows before you actually get to what you want to click on. Like, just let me, even if you could just favor it and it just put it at the top of the radio tab, that’d be better than what we have now.

[01:00:27] Like anything that means you don’t have to go and dig through five screens just to get what you want to see on a weekly basis. Yeah.

[01:00:35] Zac Hall: I remember before, like at launch, I think it was the tumbler site for Apple music. That was kind of their go-to solution for, for seeing the schedule, the upcoming schedule.

[01:00:44] And then they have a schedule button for like the station and they recently changed it to be a calendar icon, but it’s not to integrate with your calendar or anything. It’s just, that’s how you viewed the upcoming schedule. And you can’t do anything with that. It’s just you read it and that’s it.

[01:00:59] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah.

[01:00:59] It’s of it’s antiquated. It reminds me of a lot of the TV app, not having like a dedicated tab for the TV plus stuff, you know, like they’ll get to eventually, but you have to, people asked after Mona for them to actually like prioritize.

[01:01:13] Zac Hall: Yeah, I did write one piece the other week about after music, after afterschool radio on Napa music radio.

[01:01:19]And, and I, and I wanted a place to put the idea that we talked about on the podcast of man. It would be cool if I could, you know, subscribe to this show, listen to it in a, you know, in an on demand form. That’s not go and hunt down, hunt it down have a delivered and even even better, you know, I would be interested in doing using this format.

[01:01:37] Myself. If I could use Apple music and other Apple music subscribers could, could listen to what I create, you know, commentary and music. And but, but it was just kind of an afterthought in his story. It was more about. Realizing. Wow. I’m looking at my recently added music. And so much of it has come from this one show on Apple music radio that has become kind of the way to discover music.

[01:01:57] I didn’t know about or rediscover music. I used to love more so than any of the playlist. And that kind of goes back to the original idea of beats music and alpha music, which is human curated, you know, not just an algorithm, but, but something with a personal touch to it. And. And as much as you can do that in a playlist, you can really do it with the radio show where there’s commentary before each track and then between songs.

[01:02:17] So you know, so I was surprised by that, but man, there’s opportunity for, for, for improvement.

[01:02:22] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah. And switching gears slightly, do you want to talk about this eight cool thing they’re doing with Siri?

[01:02:28] Zac Hall: Yeah. I saw our friend, Steve Aquino tweet this out, a link to a study and a wall street journal story.

[01:02:34] And I wrote it up for nine to five Mac, but basically the Apple is training Siri to improve on a problem that it has, which is that. Right now, if you have a stutter and you speak slowly kind of non sequentially, Siri will interpret the gaps and, and speaking as you’re finished speaking, and it responds to what you’ve said so far, and you can imagine how difficult Siri can be when you speak as it’s designed to be spoken to, but then, you know, imagine the trouble it has.

[01:03:06] If it doesn’t address the fact that you have a Sutter, and if you have a stutter that’s pretty predictable and determining, you know, you’ve, you’ve, you’ve made You know, a partial command, but nothing complete yet. And that there’s a pattern to it. And so far, Siri, hasn’t been able to, to do that, to detect and adapt to something like that.

[01:03:24] And so it turns out Apple has. Published a study where they’ve collected just a ton of audio samples from podcast 20,000 audio clips from podcasts that feature stuttering to help kind of train their model. And they’ve also. You acknowledged that they can enhance this you know, training of series to detect a stutter and adapt to it by integrating voice models in the future and other methods.

[01:03:52] And that there’s also an opportunity to address other Situations aside from, from, from a stutter there, there are other situations that’ll have a different characteristic to a Sutter where it wouldn’t, wouldn’t be beneficial to use kind of the fixed that they’re working on. And I don’t think that they’ve got this in the wild yet, or that, you know, Siri will reliably react to a stutter and be as compatible as if you don’t have a Sutter, but it’s at least something that they’re researching and working on.

[01:04:17] And You know, it’s one of those things where it definitely fits Apple’s vision of their products being accessible. And then just in the age of Siri and thinking about how mature Siri is, you know, regardless of how many features it has or how it compares to other voice assistance it’s kind of surprising that, that this is only something that they’ve just now got to, or getting to, but, but certainly, you know, Bravo for tackling it.

[01:04:38] And in the piece they also talk about, you know, sort of what Amazon’s doing, what Google is doing in the same area. And what Apple’s response was is that the whole to talk feature where, you know, you hold down, this was added a long time ago, but you hold down the button for Siri and you keep holding it down until you’re done speaking, and then you let it go.

[01:04:57] And then it acknowledges what you said that that’s the solution today because. It, it doesn’t react until you let go of the button. And so any amount of time could be spent with your, with your query. And that, that’s fine. I think for like an iPhone and iPad a Mac, you know, the places that you use, Siri, you know, the Apple TV, because you can, you have the device in your hand probably, but for like a home pod, you can do that, but it’s just not as convenient to, you know, walk over to the device and.

[01:05:25] And did the command versus, you know, speaking, held your finger

[01:05:28] Benjamin Mayo: on the top of the home pod. Like who’s doing that. Nobody. Yeah. Droit. Yeah.

[01:05:31] Zac Hall: And so to speak into the air is kind of how it’s really intended to be used and the iPhone and iPad and Mac and Apple watch I’ll have, you know, voice activated Siri as well.

[01:05:40] So it’s a big feature that, you know, a segment of the market is missing out on that, that. Surely could be addressed. And thankfully now Apple’s doing the research and working on it. So a feature version of stearic and can implement this feature. Sûr. Yeah. And it’s

[01:05:56] Benjamin Mayo: not just about like working out when the person stopped talking.

[01:05:58] It’s also about recognizing. The actual words and doing it better transcription of people that, you know, have pauses or, or have stuffed us in the middle of the words and stuff, right? Like it’s not just the end of speech working like that is. And, you know, I have like firsthand experience with this as well.

[01:06:12] I guess you call it second experience. Like my sister has all manner of like learn difficulties and issues. And one of the problems is. Speech pronunciation. And so she dropped veg regularly, like has to pause and have a sentence and Siri cuts her off right. When she’s talking to it, because it, it, it thinks he’s finished or she’ll say like, and I do this instead of, can I do this?

[01:06:31] Right. So she kind of dropped some of the constants pronunciations and voice assistance are not very good at that. Or it doesn’t matter to him about Siri or Amazon or anything. Like there needs to be so much more development in this area. So like as voice. UI features come into literally every product, you know, from the TV to the home pod, to the iPhone, to the watch, to, you know, Apple glasses in the future, to the car, like all of the stuff they do for accessibility, you know, in, in visual, you, right.

[01:06:59] It has to come to, you know, speech understanding as well, because it’s the same, it’s the same thing, just abstracted to, you know, another domains and they getting more or less important. I understand it’s a hard problem, but they need to work on it. So, and I agree when you said it’s like, In a series been out since 2011 and it’s taken in what, like a decade to start doing this kind of stuff, like who knows, but it feels, at least they’re working on it.

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[01:09:10] Zac Hall: Podcast. Merci. Thanks Chris bender. Let’s talk about Apple TV this week before we head off. There was a news story this week about the that, that, that Jon Stewart is working on for Apple TV. And this follows, you know, his career on, on the daily show which ended many, many years ago. And then he was going to HBO to do a thing with HBO that never materialized.

[01:09:33] And now Plepler from HBO is exclusively with Apple. And John Sierra is going to make this show. That will probably be a lot like what the other show is going to be. But for Apple TV and the news this week is that he picked a showrunner. For the series and kind of the creative team. So a couple of writers and the show runner has experience at CBS evening news and, and has won some awards and previously ABC news.

[01:09:57] So rather than have someone with a comedy background to be the executive producer and showrunner at somebody with a news background, which can probably inform what to expect from, you know, the serious tone of, of what the show could be. But there are also writers who have experienced with. Comedy specials and that kind of thing who are on his team.

[01:10:16]So that that’s, but it also, it, I don’t think fully realize that the show he does for Apple TV won’t be anything like the daily show. And that was like at least a four day a week show that it’s going to be. Not even weekly, but it’s going to be maybe like, you know, it’s going to be an hour long series of single topic episodes,

[01:10:41] Benjamin Mayo: series of specialists, basically.

[01:10:43] Zac Hall: Correct. Yeah. And that’s kind of a bummer if you’re a John Stewart fan and you’ve wanted Apple TV to have, you know, something in the comedy around that’s, that’s not just a one off or, you know a series of one-offs. So I was just kind of bonded with that so that my question is why isn’t the show going to be daily or even weekly?

[01:11:03] Why not have it be like every Friday there’s a new John Stewart special, and maybe that will be the release pattern, you know, for like, Five episodes, but it just seems odd. I mean, there’s this big commitment between Paul PLO, Leffler and Apple, and then John Stewart and Apple through this. And, but, but, but how, how much of an impact can it really make if it’s just a few specials here and there, and it’s not something, I mean, it’s way less sticky.

[01:11:28] I think for the service to be that kind of the, the, the reporting I was looking at, it was like apples, you know, It’s going to be a PR win for Apple because they’re going to be able to win awards for, for, for this, for the specials content. Yeah. Yeah. That’s, that’s cool. That’s good. It’s something different from Apple TV, but currently but man it’s, is there just not room for that, an apples to apples budget or do they think that, I

[01:11:53] Benjamin Mayo: think it’s probably appetite of Stuart, right?

[01:11:55] Like he did the daily show for a long time and then he gave it up for a reason. Droit. He, you know, People people get burned out. They have fun. They want to go and do other stuff. Like they don’t necessarily want to go back doing, you know, weekly episodes, daily episodes, like I’m sure. Apple and Stewart.

[01:12:12] I’m sure Apple would love to do like a weekly show with Jon Stewart if he was down for it. But they probably just couldn’t come to agreement on, you know, availability and stuff. Like Apple is essentially getting stew out of retirement to be able to do this. Droit. Like, so. They probably had to come to some sort of deal on what the situation was going to be.

[01:12:30] And like, we want you to do, you know, basically, like they probably went to him and said like, what would you be interested in doing for us? Droit. Like, and they can’t force his hand. He gets what they get. And even if it is just, you know, a special every month or so I still think that’s like significant and people will come in to watch it.

[01:12:47] Like, it’s very similar to like the, the things they do with the Oprah stuff. Right? Like Oprah doesn’t have a weekly show. On affidavit. Plus she has like specials and documentaries and sometimes the detail sets at once and stuff. And that brings in the crowd and people watch it. Like, I think it’s the same thing here.

[01:13:03] They’ll probably try and do like 10 or 12 episodes a year, something like that. And there was a doing a podcast as well. So that’s additional content to go along with it. Like at the end of the day, if you’ve already made millions of million dollars hosting, you know, prime time talk show, For the U S do you really want to do that for the rest of your life?

[01:13:23] Like, even if Apple offered him so much money, it was unreal. He’s probably still going to turn it down. And they were like, look, this is what we can arrange. Let’s do this. And I’m sure that we’ll give it, you know, the budget and the resources to support it. And it will do well when it comes out in, in a bits and drabs.

[01:13:38] Zac Hall: Yeah. I, I guess, you know, in an hour long show is the equivalent of like three 20 minute episodes. So it’s, it’s, it’s just something very different than, than, than what’s already out there, I

[01:13:47] Benjamin Mayo: guess, in terms of like, what would appeal? Cause obviously this is, you know, the daily show is obviously us predominantly, but if you go wider out, there is more, I think more like marketability for like, An hour long show that’s maybe released weekly for three months or something rather than like a daily show of like 20 minutes each, because people don’t have the, like a lot of people don’t have the time or the bandwidth to watch every single episode.

[01:14:13] They want it to be more like. And, and hopefully the, like when you do a daily show, you have to make sacrifice in terms of, you know, what’s in it, the show, right? Because there’s just such a time constraint. If you’re going to do things that are like more hour long, special type stuff, it gives you more scope to do, you know, bits to go out and about do more investigative journalism, kind of like, it’s still going to be a comedy show.

[01:14:38] Right. But they probably want to try and do something that’s more like meaningful or substantative rather than like the daily transactional, you know, his jokes for 20 minutes, you know what I mean? Sûr. Like it’s going to be a different type of show than what he’s he, you know, he did on the day of the show, of course, but he’s going to attract back John Stewart fans and it will be a new thing.

[01:14:58] Right. Like if they just, if they just did the day show again, I’m sure they get so much criticism for it. Just being like a corporate show or not as good as the old days. Like you can’t just repeat the same thing, right.

[01:15:09] Zac Hall: And, and maybe doing something that’s more evergreen. So having a set of episodes an hour long each, then you’ve got, you know, five hours or so of something that new people can come to.

[01:15:20] And. The experience at once, and that was an appeal of the service. I just, it, and maybe that’s because Apple TV doesn’t mature enough yet to, to also, you know, kind of have the, the bandwidth for something that is more regular than this. Someone who came from the daily show comedian, Larry Wilmore he’s he had a comedy central show of his own.

[01:15:43] Called keeping it 100 that I really enjoyed and it was canceled. And then he did, he did a brief stint for peacock, you know, NBC’s thing. But I’m pretty sure that was just a limited run and not. And it was, I believe also it was nightly, but only for a limited run, it wasn’t, you know, a, an ongoing thing for like a full season even.

[01:16:03]But, but having someone like that who obviously, you know, isn’t John Stewart status, but has a voice, has an audience has a perspective. And then also has the appetite to do something, you know, nightly that would. Be really, I mean, I think I would turn up on every time at errors versus, you know, when there’s a new series, I like the beat, you know, and I watch either weekly or Ben.

[01:16:27] So, and as a, as a monthly subscription, you know, even though it’s in the bundle now and I think less about how much I’m paying for it it’s, that’s, that’s more compelling I think is kind of the arcade. Problem that Apple has where the gaming service is filled with games that you can finish and be done with.

[01:16:46] And maybe you replay them, but, you know, they want to shift to this reportedly shift to this model where it’s more, you know, content added regularly and you don’t ever complete the game. It’s just, it’s you just have more levels, you know, that’s that, but for TV, you know, I mean, the other, the other thing that they do is they have just second seasons and more seasons and new shows and new movies, but You know, what you’re interested in can be, can be pretty narrow versus what they offer.

[01:17:10]And so having something that’s just mass appeal and, and all the time would be pretty compelling. And I know it, it hasn’t really worked for Netflix. Like they had a weekly live series with the comedian and I guess it just didn’t have the numbers that, that Netflix wanted. But you can imagine that that, that Apple would just see it less as a numbers game and more as this is just one element of the service and.

[01:17:31] And it’s worth keeping going.

[01:17:34] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah. Like if John Stewart wasn’t down for a weekly show or a daily show, maybe they should pursue some other talent as well. Like there’s no reason you couldn’t have more than one. You know, like if he’s, if he’s off doing, you know, 10 specials a year, you can still have a personality doing an episode a week or something.

[01:17:52] Yeah, like topical what current affairs stuff, because right now you’ve got Oprah exclusively and there’s nothing wrong with Oprah. If you’re into that, it’s fine. But you know, to, to address what it is, demographics, you need to expand out. And one way to do it is to get John Stewart and then other ways to do it is to do different formats.

[01:18:07] Like actually weekly news episodes or daily news episodes.

[01:18:12] Zac Hall: Ouais. Anything that can be a podcast can be an Apple. I mean, this is, I think this is an idea that we’re going to see.

[01:18:17] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah. Like they’re doing, they’re doing it in both directions. They’re making podcasts that can be TV shows and they can TV shows.

[01:18:22] They’re going to be podcasts.

[01:18:23] Zac Hall: Yeah, exactly. Anything that can be a podcast can be a, can be a TV show. And there’s seems to be based on Mark’s reporting that they’re going to really pursue that, that You know, when original podcasts and becomes more of a thing with Apple. We also speak of Apple TV and podcasts.

[01:18:36] I listened to the first episode of the, for all mankind official podcast. And I was skeptical skeptical because you know, I’ve, I’ve seen the whole second season. I wrote my piece on it and You know, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve all seen the trailers and many people have seen the first episode. And as this episode comes out, know, the second episode would be available.

[01:18:56] But. I was kind of turned off by like the artwork, cause it’s, it’s the moon Marines with guns in the moon. And that isn’t really how I described the second season as being about like, it’s, it’s there as like the cold war escalation, you know, but it’s not the bulk of the season in my mind. And so I was thinking, nah, this really kind of cheapens the, the idea there.

[01:19:19]But, but you know, don’t judge a book by its cover. I listened to the episode. And it had astronaut Garrett Reesman on who we’ve had on this podcast before. And I think it was, it was produced very, you know, it’s a very well produced podcast is not too long. It it’s pretty good in that it discusses, you know, this is who we’re gonna talk to this week.

[01:19:38] This is what we’re gonna talk about. And it’s it’s, it’s at least the first episode is a lot less about the current episode of the week, but they’ll get more into that in the future. They kind of did a thing at the beginning where they said this is going to be spoiler free. And then they later mentioned there’s going to be a statement.

[01:19:54] With spoilers, but don’t worry. We’ll tell you first, you know, it’s like, okay. But I, but I found it it’d be, you know, a good listen and something. I’ll, I’ll keep coming back to having seen the season already. You know, I haven’t listened to all that visitor to the podcast yet. Just as they’re released.

[01:20:08]But but I, I keep it on my rotation, but I also, I think just as much as I enjoy listening to people like Jason Snell, talk about the show. And, and he’s doing an, a feat on the incomparable where it’s him talking about each week of the show and, and that’s probably more like for super fans. But I think, I think what Apple’s doing with the podcast is, is, is.

[01:20:27] Plenty fine. That it’s, it’s compelling on its own and it can augment the show in that you, you get insights that you didn’t have before. And each episode will have a different gas, so that’ll be neat. But I don’t know if you heard it, but I, I thought it was pretty good though for, for their

[01:20:40] Benjamin Mayo: first to a little bit of it, but.

[01:20:42] I didn’t finish it. No, like I, I like TV show podcasts. I like about the actual show. And they do the behind the scenes podcast. Droit. Where it’s like, here’s how the scenes were shot. We had a tribal filming there. So we had to do this differently, which is more like what the breaking bad podcasts are and stuff like that.

[01:21:00] This is like, you know, it’s like a space lesson, which is fine. Droit. I’m not dissing it, but it, it, wasn’t what I was like. Going in for, if you see what I mean. So the actual T plus episode, for sure, but this one, not really for me. Yeah. All right.

[01:21:17]Zac Hall: And speaking of the first episode, you know, I can’t quite make out it scene.

[01:21:23] So now after bending the first season or the second season but I did take notes on that first episodes and I kinda remember my take being okay, they’re introducing a, you know, a new new class of, of characters and, and maybe those stories will be important in this season and future seasons. And there’s kind of a conflict between the old guard and the new class.

[01:21:42]But what what’d you think of the, that the first episode? The second?

[01:21:46] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah, it was good. Like they you know, they started with the, the the sunrise on the moon. C'était cool. And then they did like the character development. You see where they are doing. I am terrible with names, but the, the woman who’s now like in charge of the NASA unit, right.

[01:22:00] That we saw that she was in charge of the room before, but now she’s not in charge of the whole thing. And it’s like, cool, because she’s got this responsibility now, but it also, it’s kind of sad cause she’s having to like sleep in the office and like have a breakfast, you know, while she’s getting dressed, like it’s the classic, like, you know, drama situations, which is cool.

[01:22:18] And then obviously it ends with the Th th th the, like the, the trauma or the tension of having to save the person who is stuck in the thing when the, the sun radiation is coming. And then Mary Cobb is that her name is something like that. My name, my naming ability is terrible, but the space astronauts who’s like the, you know, the, the woman who was like leading the charge before modern Molly cob, that’s the name.

[01:22:40] She has to go and say, the person who’s like crashed in the middle of the field. And then it’s like Oh, I dunno. Are we going to get out of the radio like that tent? Like I just love it. Like it was such a cool website.

[01:22:49] Zac Hall: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I exactly, I liked it that they dumped bread into the space in the meeting and the episode.

[01:22:54] And then it’s, like I said before it, the second season is very much, if you like the first season it’s, it’s, you know, continuation of that, where there’s plenty. There’s probably more space in the second season than the first, because they’re, they’re further along and their progress. Yeah. So they can be more advanced in space, but, but also there’s plenty of on the ground conflict and relationships and drama and everything.

[01:23:17] And that that’s, I was I’m, I’m happy that you know, that the trailer is, is obviously, you know, dramatic and that it’s meant to be You know, kind of a thriller trailer and grab retention, but the season itself is, and as you can see in the first episode, I think is, is, is takes his time to tell a story.

[01:23:33] Benjamin Mayo: Yeah. Based on you not telling me what happens that the trailer through it aspects, I like finale stuff. That’s the mind to reputation of what you’ve told me anyway. Nice. The only thing I thought was stupid is when they kept talking about de Mayo, instead of email, it’s like. I get it like Yamaha, alternate reality.

[01:23:53] It’s D mail, digital digital show. And as we did the alphabet lesson two weeks ago, D comes before E but like, it just felt kind of stupid. Like why, why did you call it D mouse? Just like they did the electric car thing early, which was cool. But. Just call it email. Cause they just say it like once it was like, Oh, you just got a new email.

[01:24:15] It’s just really having to emphasize the law, which I thought was a bit corny. But there you go. Yeah.

[01:24:21] Zac Hall: Me, the thing in the first episode that stood out that I didn’t, that, that I, I thought I was just kind of criticizing is that the, the character of Joel Kinnaman at Baldwin, he just looks. I mean, maybe, maybe that’s pretty practical, but they don’t really age people very much.

[01:24:36] You know, they, they changed their appearance a little bit for the decade jump, but he just looks like comically older, like his hair, it doesn’t look like the care, like the actor anymore. To me, he looks more like, you know, fake spray tan and, and, you know, artificial and gray hair. Yeah. And it just stands out

[01:24:53] Benjamin Mayo: like, yeah.

[01:24:55] I I, cause I obviously, when we spoke about it before watching the episode or whatever on the show, you mentioned the aging thing of Kenema and I watched the episode, I was like, yeah, obviously it’s like, not real. Right? Cause he’s, you know, he has an age 10 years between a year ago, but it felt fine to me.

[01:25:11] It didn’t, it didn’t stick out to me at least. That’s that’s.

[01:25:13] Zac Hall: That’s good. So maybe it’s just a me thing. So anyway, we’ll say to tomorrow that is the happy hour podcast for this week. If you have any feedback, you can email us together@happyhouratninetofivemac.com. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Apollo’s Zack.

[01:25:27] That’s a P O L L O Z a C and Benjamin you’re on tour BS at MAA, and we’ll be back next week. Bye everybody.

[01:25:35] Benjamin Mayo: Bye-bye.

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